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The Israel Koschitzky Virtual Beit
Midrash
The Laws of Shabbat Yeshivat Har Etzion
Shiur #04: Defining the Melakha of Bishul
(Part 3)
By Rav Baruch Gigi
Translated by David Silverberg
In the previous two shiurim, we established the definition of the
melakha of bishul as it pertains to foods and other items, and we
addressed the need for the involvement of fire for an act to qualify as
bishul, and the ramifications of this prerequisite. In this shiur, we will focus our
attention on two important points:
1)
The possibility of applying the melakha of
makeh be-patish to foods;
2)
The status of cooking fruits and vegetables that can
be eaten raw.
Applying
Makeh Be-patish to Foods
In the previous shiur, we concluded that food preparation does not
qualify as bishul unless it occurs through heat generated from fire. However, we might consider holding one
liable for cooking food without fire or a derivative of fire for an entirely
different reason the melakha of makeh be-patish (giving
the 'finishing touch') (literally, "banging with a hammer"), which forbids
completing the fashioning or preparation of an item on Shabbat.
The Mishna in Masekhet Shabbat (145b) states:
Anything that had been in
hot water [meaning, that had been cooked] before Shabbat may be soaked in hot
water on Shabbat, and anything that had not been in hot water before Shabbat may
be rinsed in hot water on Shabbat, with the exception of meli'ach
ha-yashan and kulias ha-ispinin [two types of small fish], whose
rinsing constitutes its final preparation.
Many
Rishonim interpret the term gemar melakha ("final preparation") in
this Mishna in terms of bishul.
Rashi, for example, explains, "For this constitutes its final
preparation, and it is [therefore] bishul." Rabbenu Chananel, however, in his
commentary to the Mishna, writes:
But
meli'ach ha-yashan and kulias ha-ispinin if there were not
brought in hot water before Shabbat, then it is forbidden to even rinse them [in
hot water] on Shabbat. If one
violates [this prohibition] and rinsed them, he is obligated [to bring] a
sin-offering for he has completed a task [she-gamar melakha].
These
comments might be understood to mean that Rabbenu Chananel refers to the
melakha of makeh be-patish, though this reading is not
conclusive. Indeed, several
Acharonim explain this Mishna in reference to makeh
be-patish. The Rav
Pe'alim (2:52) writes:
However, if this bread is
very hard because it had sat for many days, to the point where it cannot be
eaten at all without being soaked in soup, then this is forbidden because it
constitutes gemar melakha, and one would be liable for makeh
be-patish, and not for mevashel, as the Shulchan Arukh writes
(318:4), "An item that was previously cooked and is dry one may soak it in hot
water on Shabbat. But if it is a
dry item that had not been cooked before Shabbat, one may not soak it in hot
water on Shabbat, but one may rinse it in hot water on Shabbat, except for
meli'ach ha-yashan and the species of fish called kulias
ha-ispinin, which require minimal cooking, and thus their rinsing
constitutes their final preparation."
And the Rema z"l wrote in his glosses, "This applies as well to
any solid item that cannot be eaten without soaking; one may not soak it on
Shabbat, as this constitutes its final preparation"
A dry item that cannot be
eaten at all without soaking regarding this our rabbi Moshe z"l wrote
that one may not soak it on Shabbat, because it constitutes the final
preparation. And even regarding
this he did not write that one is liable for mevashel; he rather wrote,
"because it constitutes its final preparation," and thus one is liable
for makeh be-patish.
We might
conclude, then, that any procedure performed to prepare an item for consumption
that does not meet the criteria of mevashel, would nevertheless be
forbidden on the grounds of makeh be-patish.[1] The Levush (318:4) indeed writes:
"Similarly, any item that is solid and not suitable for consumption at all
without soaking one may not soak it on Shabbat, because this constitutes the
final preparation. Even though one
does not cook, he is liable for makeh be-patish."
Some Acharonim attempted to draw proof to this theory that the
melakha of makeh be-patish applies to food items from the Talmud
Yerushalmi (Shabbat, chapter 7). On
the other hand, many Acharonim demonstrated from several passages in the
Bavli that one cannot transgress makeh be-patish by completing the
preparation of a food item. We will
very briefly present the various proofs brought for both sides of the issue,
before reaching our own conclusion on this subject.
The Yerushalmi (Shabbat 7:2) delineates various stages in the processing
of grain, identifying the specific melakha one violates with each
stage. It concludes, "Gamra
melakhta mishum makeh be-patish" when one completes the processing, he
is liable for makeh be-patish.
This very clearly suggests that the final act in preparing a food item
renders one liable for makeh be-patish.
In the Bavli, by contrast, we find many indications that one may prepare
foods on Shabbat, and doing so would not violate makeh be-patish. Firstly, the Gemara (Shabbat 155a)
states that although one may not exert himself in the preparation of already
edible fodder for his animals, he may exert himself to make fodder edible. The Gemara does not ban making the food
edible on the grounds of makeh be-patish. Secondly, earlier in the Masekhet (39a),
the Gemara explicitly allows cooking food in the sun, and forbids cooking with
toledot ha-chama (derivatives of solar heat) only by force of rabbinic
enactment. No mention is made of
makeh be-patish as a basis for forbidding this method of food
preparation. Some writers, however,
dismissed these proofs, claiming that in the first instance, the Gemara deals
with the mere slicing of vegetables for animals, which entails no significant
act that can be deemed makeh be-patish. And in the second Gemara, they argued,
one does not violate a Torah prohibition because he cooks in an unusual fashion
("ein derekh bishul be-khakh"), and only for this reason would makeh
be-patish not apply.
Conversely, the work Pitchei Da'at dismisses the proof from the
Yerushalmi. The Pitchei
Da'at claims that the Yerushalmi applies makeh be-patish to food
preparation because in a different context, it maintains that "ein bishul ela
ke-she-ha-or mehalekh tachtav" one violates bishul only when
cooking with actual fire.[2] In
order to explain the Mishna's ruling that one is liable for rinsing meli'ach
ha-yashan and kulias ha-ispinin in hot water, the Yerushalmi was
compelled to apply to this context the melakha of makeh
be-patish. The Yerushalmi's
position would thus have no bearing on normative Halakha, which allows for
bishul violation with even derivatives of fire (such as boiling
water).
The Bei'ur Halakha (318, s.v. she-hadachatan) concludes
that the melakha of makeh be-patish does not apply to food
preparation, in accordance with the straightforward implication of the
Bavli.
Furthermore, I believe that a closer analysis of the underlying concepts
of makeh be-patish will reveal that the Yerushalmi provides no proof that
this melakha can apply to food preparation. The melakha of makeh
be-patish consists of two categories.
The first is that of tikun keli any action that prepares any
sort of utensil for its function.
Our discussion involves this category of makeh be-patish, and
addresses the question of whether or not it pertains to the preparation of
foods. In this respect, even the
Yerushalmi agrees that it does not.
The Shita Mekubetzet (Beitza 18a) discusses the distinction
between immersing utensils on Yom Tov to render them usable, which Halakha
forbids on the grounds of tikun keli, and purifying water that had become
tamei by bringing it in contact with water in a mikveh, which is
permissible on Yom Tov. The
Shita Mekubetzet writes, "They [Chazal] said this only with regard
to utensils; impure water, however, are not subject to [the prohibition of]
tikun, because tikun applies only to utensils."[3] Accordingly, in
our case, too, we would not define food preparation as tikun keli, since
it does not involve a keli (utensil).
There is, however, a second category included under the melakha of
makeh be-patish. When one
embarks on a process of production entailing several stages, the action that
completes the entire process is considered the gemar melakha, the
completion of the given task, and renders one liable for makeh
be-patish. This category may,
indeed, pertain to food preparation, and it is to these kinds of cases that the
aforementioned passage in the Yerushalmi refers.
In other words, the first form of makeh be-patish involves the
completion of the item, and applies only to keilim, and the second
category relates to the final action required by the individual. This second type would apply to foods,
since it focuses on the individual, rather than the object.
We might draw proof to the application of makeh be-patish to foods
from the comments of the Sefer Ha-pardes, cited in the Bet Yosef
(318):
But
tarit [a type of salty fish] I say that it is permissible to wash it in
some cold water on Shabbat and eat it, since it resembles washing cups and
bowls, which one may do on Shabbat.
And rinsing the tarit does not constitute gemar melakha,
such that its rinsing would be forbidden on Shabbat, because it can be eaten
with its salt[4], and anything that can be eaten with its salt, its rinsing does
not constitute the completion of its preparation. And kulias ha-ispinin is a very
salty fish that cannot be eaten with its salt, until it is rinsed in hot
water.
It emerges
that if the fish requires rinsing to become suitable for consumption, then
rinsing it even in cold water would be forbidden. After all, the Sefer Ha-pardes
permits rinsing the tarit in cold water only because it can be eaten even
after its salt is rinsed out, indicating that otherwise, even rinsing in cold
water would be forbidden. We can
accept this position only if we accept one of the following two assumptions:
either that any preparation of food for consumption violates bishul
regardless of the heat source[5], or that rinsing in cold water would be
forbidden on the grounds of makeh be-patish. Indeed, the Peri Megadim adopted
the second approach in understanding the position of the Sefer
Ha-pardes. The Bet Yosef
appears not to accept the ruling of the Sefer Ha-pardes.[6] In any event, this issue is clearly
subject to a debate among the Rishonim. However, the decision of most
Acharonim, including the Mishna Berura (in Bei'ur Halakha)
and Rav Ovadya Yosef, is that the melakha of makeh be-patish does
not apply to food items.
Cooking
Fruits or Vegetables That Can be Eaten Raw
The Gemara in Masekhet Avoda Zara (38a) cites the ruling of Rav that the
prohibition of bishul akum partaking of food cooked by gentiles does
not apply to cooked foods that could be eaten raw. Although Chazal enacted a
prohibition against eating bishul akum so as to prevent excessive social
contact with non-Jews[7], they did not apply this prohibition to foods that
could be eaten without cooking.
Some authorities[8] extracted from this ruling that cooking such foods
does not formally constitute bishul, and thus one would not violate the
melakha of mevashel by cooking this kind of food on Shabbat. These authorities drew proof to this
position from the Rambam's comment (Hilkhot Shabbat 9:3), "One who cooks over
fire an item that is fully cooked or that does not require cooking at all, is
not liable." They explained this
ruling as referring to fruits that can be eaten raw and do not require
cooking. However, the Magid
Mishneh writes regarding this ruling of the Rambam:
That
which he [the Rambam] wrote, "and also an item that does not require cooking" is
straightforward, and derived from the debate in the chapter Kira (Shabbat
42b) as to whether or not oil is subject to bishul, indicating that
according to all views something that does not require cooking is not subject to
bishul.
According to
the Magid Mishneh, the Rambam did not arrive at this ruling based on the
halakha mentioned in Avoda Zara regarding bishul akum, and thus
that ruling would not necessarily apply to bishul on Shabbat. It is possible that cooking an item that
is edible raw would, in fact, constitute bishul, but the prohibition of
bishul akum does not extend to these kinds of foods since there is no
concern for close interaction when dealing with such foods. According to the Magid Mishneh's
reading, the Rambam refers to items upon which the cooking process has no effect
at all, meaning, cases where cooking plays no role in preparing the food for
consumption. Later we will define
this category more precisely.
Some Acharonim sought to prove the inapplicability of
bishul to cooking fruit from Tosefot's comments in Masekhet Shabbat (48a,
s.v. de-zeitim):
Rabbenu
Shemuel says that one is permitted to place apples near the fire before dark
[late in the day on Erev Shabbat] even if they will not be roasted by the end of
the day, because they are eaten raw more commonly than foods are eaten at the
point of ma'akhal Ben Derusai [half-cooked], which is permissible.
Tosefot
appear to equate raw apples with foods cooked to the point of ma'akhal Ben
Derusai, and thus according to the view that a food cooked to this point is
no longer subject to bishul[9], bishul would likewise not apply to
fruits. The Minchat Kohen
makes this inference from Tosefot, but the Iglei Tal disagrees,
explaining that Tosefot equate raw apples to ma'akhal Ben Derusai only
with respect to the prohibition of shehiya leaving uncooked food on the
fire before Shabbat to finish cooking on Shabbat. Chazal enacted this prohibition
out of concern that one might stir the coals under the pot to expedite the
cooking process, and thus it does not apply to foods that have already been
cooked to the point of ma'akhal Ben Derusai, since one will not need to
hasten their cooking. Accordingly,
Tosefot reason that regarding raw apples, too, which can be eaten raw, the
shehiya prohibition would not apply. With respect, however, to the
melakha of bishul the prohibition against cooking on Shabbat
itself raw fruit has the same status as all uncooked foods, and is subject to
bishul. We might draw proof
to the Iglei Tal's reading from Tosefot's comments later in this
passage:
If one
covered apples together with the pot [with cushions to retain their heat], he
may not return the pillows and cushions onto the pot that is with them
Even
though this is permissible when there are no apples, [nevertheless,] when
there are apples with the pot this is forbidden, because if one returns [the
cushions before they [the apples] are cooked, he will have cooked on
Shabbat.
Tosefot
explicitly apply the bishul prohibition to apples, and thus their earlier
comparison between apples and foods at the point of ma'akhal Ben Derusai
referred only to the prohibition of shehiya, which stems from the concern
that one might stir the coals to hasten the cooking.
The question, however, remains, why should bishul apply to foods
that can be eaten in their current state?
The definition of the melakha of bishul preparing an item
for consumption appears to limit the application of this melakha to
foods that require the cooking process to become suitable for consumption.
Two answers may be offered:
1)
Any action resulting in the enhancement of the
food's suitability for consumption constitutes a violation of bishul,
since the melakha involves the process of improving a given item's
taste.
2)
Even if we insist that the melakha involves
only preparing an item for consumption, whereas in our case the item is already
prepared, we might claim that the cooked item is of an entirely different
quality and nature, for which the food is not prepared in its initial, uncooked
state. Apples, for example, are
suitable for consumption as fruits, but once they undergo the process of
cooking, they become compote a different type of food altogether. Preparing a fruit for consumption as
compote indeed constitutes a violation of bishul. Said otherwise, with respect to compote,
the apple is not food, but rather the "raw material" which must undergo the
process of cooking to transform into compote.
As for the
final halakha, the Shulchan Arukh (254:4) codifies Tosefot's
position:
Fruits
that can be eaten raw one may put them around the pot even if they cannot be
roasted before dark. However, one
must ensure not to return the cover if it came off after dark, and not to add
onto it [the covering] until they are roasted, since this hastens the completion
of their cooking on Shabbat.
Two
conclusions emerge very clearly from the Shulchan Arukh's ruling:
1)
Raw fruits have the same status as any other
uncooked food with respect to the melakha of bishul, and thus one
who cooks them or accelerates their cooking on Shabbat is liable for
bishul.
2)
With regard to leaving raw fruits near a pot before
Shabbat, they have the same status as food cooked to the point of ma'akhal
Ben Derusai, which one may leave on the fire before Shabbat, since there is
no concern that he will stir the coals to hasten their cooking.
Foods that
Do Not Require Cooking at All
Earlier, we
mentioned the Rambam's comment that one is not liable for cooking foods that do
not require cooking. Recall that
the Magid Mishneh explained the Rambam's remarks in light of the
sugya in Masekhet Shabbat 40b.
We cite here the relevant passage in the Gemara:
Rabba
and Rav Yosef both ruled leniently: oil, even to the point of yad soledet
bo [where one's hand would instinctively recoil on contact], is not subject
to bishul. The first
Tanna [cited in a previously recorded Berayta] maintains that oil
is not subject to bishul.
Rabbi Yehuda comes and says that oil is subject to bishul, but
[merely] warming it [as opposed to heating it directly over a flame] does not
amount to bishul; and Rabban Shimon Gamliel comes and says that oil is
subject to bishul, and [merely] warming it constitutes bishul.
The Gemara
thus delineates three positions among the Tanna'im regarding oil: 1) it
is not subject to bishul at all, since it undergoes no change as a result
of the cooking process; 2) oil resembles all other liquids, in that one violates
bishul by heating it to the point of yad soledet bo; 3) warming
oil, even without actually heating it, transgresses bishul, since oil is
intended primarily for smearing, and warming it prepares it sufficiently for
this function[10].
With regard to oil, the Rambam follows Rabbi Yehuda's position, which
equates oil with other liquids, the cooking of which constitutes bishul
once they reach the point of yad soledet bo. Nevertheless, the basic principle that
emerges from the sugya, namely, that there can be foods that are not
subject to bishul at all, very likely remains valid.
Indeed, the Or Zaru'a (62) cites the following comments of the
Riva:
It
appears to me that wine is likewise not subject to bishul when one warms
it for drinking. But one who cooks
it with honey and spices and makes it into a drink this certainly constitutes
bishul, since it transformed into a different taste as a result of
fire. And vegetables that can be
eaten raw, such as leeks and turnips, and also fruits, such as apples and other
fruits, even though they are eaten raw, they are subject to bishul
because their taste is sweetened and transformed to a different taste when they
are cooked. And although with
regard to bishul akum we say, "Anything that is eaten raw is not subject
to bishul akum" since bishul akum was enacted by the Rabbis, the
Rabbis treated it leniently.
Regarding Shabbat, however, it makes no difference [whether or not the
food item can be eaten raw], for they say in Masekhet Avoda Zara that hot water
is not subject to bishul akum, and yet here [in Masekhet Shabbat], it
appears that according to all views water is subject to bishul, and one
who cooks it must bring a sin-offering.
According to
the Riva, merely warming wine does not violate bishul because the wine
undergoes no change as a result[11], whereas cooking it with honey or fruits
does constitutes bishul, since their taste changes as a result of this
process.
As far as the Rambam is concerned, we do not know his view concerning the
cooking of wine or other products.
He clearly maintains that there are foods that undergo no enhancing
transformation as a result of cooking[12], but since he does not give specific
examples, we cannot be certain about his view regarding any particular food
item.
With regard to water, the sugya in Masekhet Shabbat (40b) states
explicitly that one transgresses bishul by heating water to the point of
yad soledet bo, but it does not specify whether this constitutes a Torah
prohibition or was enacted by Chazal. The Rambam, however, writes (in Hilkhot
Shabbat 9:1) that one who heats water is chayav ("liable," clearly
referring to a Torah prohibition).
It stands to reason that bishul applies to water not because of
its transformation of taste, but rather due to the heating itself, as indicated
by the Rambam's formulation, employing the word "ha-mechamem" ("one who
heats
"), as opposed to "ha-mevashel" ("one who cooks").[13] Cooking water is intended primarily for
the purpose of bathing, as indicated by the Rambam's discussion of the minimum
quantity required to violate bishul. Generally speaking, the violation of
bishul requires a minimum amount of a gerogeret of food, or a
revi'it of liquids. When it
comes to water, however, the Rambam writes that one violates bishul by
heating the amount required to wash a small organ of the body. It thus appears that bishul as it
applies to water forbids heating water for bathing purposes, and thus the
prohibition is violated by virtue of the rise in the water's temperature,
despite the absence of a substantive change in taste. One might, however, argue that regarding
water bishul applies on two levels in terms of heating for bathing, and
heating for consumption and the Rambam mentioned the first only because it is
the smaller of the two quantities.
Of course, the question arises in light of this theory as to why one
violates bishul by heating water specifically to the point of yad
soledet bo, given that people generally bathe in water that has not reached
this level of heat. The book
Shevitat Ha-Shabbat (introduction to Mevashel, #17) addresses this
question and writes that even though a person derives benefit from water at a
lower temperature, raising water to that temperature does not cause a
transformation in the water, and is thus permissible. Heating water to the point of yad
soledet bo, however, indeed transforms the water and is therefore
forbidden. In my opinion, this
explanation is difficult to accept.
A more likely answer is that although people bathe in water at a lower
temperature, the water is initially heated to the level of yad soledet bo
so that when the individual enters the water it is at a suitable
temperature. However, this issue
still requires further analysis.
Conversely, one might contend that for cooking water we should demand a
higher temperature than yad soledet bo, since hot water is usually drunk
only after it has been brought to a boil.
We might explain that since the water becomes suitable for bathing at the
point of yad soledet bo, this suffices to render one liable, particularly
in light of the Rambam's position discussed earlier, that bishul in
reference to water involves mainly the heating itself, and not the preparation
for consumption.[14] The question
remains, however, according to the possibility we raised earlier that regarding
water bishul is defined in terms of both bathing and drinking, whether
one violates bishul by bringing to a boil water currently at the point of
yad soledet bo.[15] One
might suggest that in Talmudic times hot water was not brought to a boil for
drinking, and was rather drunk at the point of yad soledet bo, as the
Rashba writes (Shabbat 42a, s.v. notein), "because it is made for
drinking, and a person does not drink very hot water, but rather lukewarm
[water]."
In any event, the authorities all assume that one violates bishul
by heating water to the point of yad soledet bo, and no violation is
committed by bringing water at this temperature to a boil.
Practical
Conclusions that Emerge from This Shiur
- Most
poskim maintain that the melakha of makeh be-patish does
not apply to food items, and it is therefore permissible to prepare a food
item for consumption in a manner that does not involve fire-generated heat
(provided, of course, that this does not violate any of the other
melakhot).
- A
salty fish that requires rinsing in cold water to render it suitable for
consumption may be rinsed even in hot water. If, however, it requires rinsing
specifically in hot water, then one who does so violates the Torah prohibition
of bishul.
- Halakha
follows the view that the Torah prohibition of bishul forbids cooking
even fruits and other items that are edible raw, so long as the cooking
process enhances them and introduces new flavor.
- The
Torah prohibition of bishul forbids heating water, oil or wine to the
point of yad soledet bo.
Notes:
[1] One
might ask why anytime a person violates bishul he does not transgress as
well the melakha of makeh be-patish. We could explain that the entire concept
of makeh be-patish is work performed outside the parameters of the other
melakhot.
[2] We
will iy"H address this issue at length in a later shiur.
[3]
This issue likely relates to a much broader discussion as to whether the
melakhot of ibud (tanning), memachek (erasing),
mechatekh (cutting) and tzovei'a (coloring) apply to foods. It all may very well depend on the point
we develop here in this shiur, though obviously further analysis is
required.
[4]
Meaning, it can be eaten despite the large quantity of salt on the fish, even
without rinsing.
[5] See
our discussion in the previous shiur.
[6] The
Bet Yosef's primary argument against the Sefer Ha-pardes relates
to the issue of rinsing a tarit in hot water, which the Sefer
Ha-pardes forbids, despite the fact that the fish is suitable for
consumption without rinsing.
Indeed, the Derisha understood the Pardes to mean that one
may rinse the tarit even in hot water. The Derisha writes, "Since hot
water is not required for its preparation [for consumption], and in cold water
it is clearly permissible to rinse it and prepare it for consumption so since
it is rendered suitable even [by rinsing] with cold water, it is therefore
permissible with hot water, since hot water is not required for its
preparation."
[7]
Rashi there writes, "So that a Jew will not frequently spend time with him
eating and drinking, and he might feed him something non-kosher." The Rambam writes (Hilkhot Ma'akhalot
Asurot 17:9), "in order that we be distanced from the gentiles to the point
where Jews will not mingle with them and come to marry them."
[8]
Rabbi Akiva Eiger, 254; Magen Avraham, 254:14; Minchat Kohen; see
also Radbaz, 1:213, who writes that the prohibition is rabbinic in origin.
[9]
Indeed, there are those who hinge the question of cooking fruits and the like on
the issue of whether one may cook foods that have already been cooked to the
point of ma'akhal Ben Derusai.
Clearly, however, Tosefot here compare the two only with respect to the
rabbinic prohibition of shehiya, and not to actual bishul.
[10] Some, however, claim that this position,
which forbids the mere warming of oil, does so only on the level of rabbinic
enactment, and not of the Torah prohibition of bishul. See Sefer Ha-teruma, 231; and
Penei Yehoshua, Shabbat 40b.
[11] Later, however, the Or Zaru'a
writes that the Riva ultimately retracted this ruling and held that
bishul indeed does apply to wine.
[12]
See also Iglei Tal Melekhet Ha-ofeh, 19:8 and 19:21. The Sha'ar Ha-tziyon (318:114)
comments, "It seems obvious, in my humble opinion, that this refers to something
that is not enhanced at all through cooking, to the exclusion of fruits and the
like, which is enhanced as a result of cooking."
[13]
The Rambam perhaps detected this notion in the sugya on 40b, which says
regarding water, "A person may bring a ladle of water and place it opposite a
fire not to heat it, but rather that it will thaw." In the corresponding passage concerning
oil, however, the Gemara employs the term bishul, rather than
chimum (warming). This
subtle shift in terminology perhaps indicated to the Rambam that when it comes
to water, the melakha of bishul is defined as heating water for
bathing, and not for drinking.
[14]
For further discussion on this point, see Shevitat Ha-Shabbat,
introduction to Mevashel, #18 and the VBM article, Cooking Liquids on
Shabbat" by Rav Elyakim Krumbein at http://www.vbm-torah.org/halak56.html.
[15]
There is one view in the Rishonim that indeed holds one liable for
bringing water from the point of yad soledet bo to a boil, but for an
entirely different reason, as we will discuss be"H in the next
shiur.
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