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The Israel Koschitzky Virtual Beit
Midrash
The Laws of Shabbat Yeshivat Har Etzion
Shiur #05: More on the Fundamental Definition of
Bishul
By HaRav Baruch Gigi
Translated by David Silverberg
This shiur will discuss the following two points regarding the
fundamental definition of the melakha of bishul:
- The
issue of cooking that began on Shabbat and continues into Motza'ei Shabbat;
- The
minimum duration of cooking that constitutes bishul, and the halakhic
status of bishul achar bishul cooking a food that had already been
cooked.
Cooking
that Began on Shabbat and Continues Into Motza'ei Shabbat
This issue is not discussed either in the Gemara or in the writings of
the Rishonim, but it is addressed by the Acharonim on the basis of
a comparison between bishul and a different melakha
zorei'a (sowing). In both
cases, the person is directly involved in the first stage either embedding the
seed in the ground, or placing a pot over the fire but the rest of the process
the seed's taking root, or the cooking of the food occurs
independently. Regarding both these
melakhot, therefore, the question arises as to whether one bears
liability for the action performed in beginning this process, irrespective of
when the end result of the cooking or taking root of the seed occurs.
When it comes to zorei'a, one is clearly liable even when the
process is completed only after Shabbat, since this is necessarily the case in
every instance of sowing: a person sows today and the seed takes root only
several days later. The same
concept would perhaps apply to baking and cooking, and one would therefore
violate this melakha if he places bread in the oven just minutes prior to
the end of Shabbat. The Rashash
writes this explicitly in his chiddushim to Masekhet Shabbat (73b).
Conversely, the Gemara (Shabbat 3b) establishes that if a person placed
bread in an oven on Shabbat and removed it before it is baked, he has not
violated the melakha. Here,
too, the Rashash equates bishul with zorei'a, claiming that if a
seed planted on Shabbat was removed from the earth before it took root, no
violation has been committed.
According to the Rashash, then, the melakha depends on the taking
root and the baking, but the individual's role involves only the beginning of
the process. Therefore, if the
action occurred on Shabbat and ultimately reached its final result, then even if
this final result took place only after Shabbat, a violation has been
committed. If, however, the final
result was never achieved, no violation has occurred.
The Chelkat Yoav brings two proofs to this position, that one
bears liability even if the cooking process continues after Shabbat. The first stems from a cryptic passage
in the Yerushalmi (Shabbat 1:6): "Beit Hillel infers [the halakha
concerning] a permissible activity from [the halakha concerning] a
forbidden activity: had he done this on Shabbat, would it not be forbidden? Similarly, if he did so before the end
of the day, it is permissible."
According to the Chelkat Yoav, this means that in Beit Hillel's
view, since one bears liability when he begins a melakha on Shabbat and
it concludes on Motza'ei Shabbat, it should be permitted to begin a
melakha before Shabbat and have it continue on its own into Shabbat,
since we follow the initial action.
In my humble opinion, however, this does not appear to be the intent of
this sugya. Indeed, the
classic commentaries on the Yerushalmi explained this passage differently. According to the commentaries, Beit
Hillel claimed that any action forbidden to perform on Shabbat itself may be
performed before Shabbat, even if the process will then continue into
Shabbat. In fact, the Chelkat
Yoav's reading is very difficult to sustain, since it interprets Beit Hillel
as inferring a clear and undisputed halakha that one may perform a
melakha before Shabbat, even if the process continues into Shabbat from
a halakha that is far from simple and certainly not undisputed, namely,
that a melakha begun on Shabbat is forbidden even if the process will be
completed only after Shabbat.
The Chelkat Yoav's second proof comes from a Gemara in Masekhet
Beitza (22a), which holds one liable for mekhabeh (the prohibition
against extinguishing a flame on Shabbat) if he removes some oil from a burning
lamp. The Rosh writes the following
in explaining this halakha:
The
reason, it seems to me, is that one who removes some oil hastens its extinction
In this instance, both the oil and the wick facilitate the flame, and thus one
who diminishes from one of them and hastens its extinction is liable. And this is also the reason for
[liability in a case of] one who adds oil to a lamp because he extends the
kindling: had he not added oil to the lamp, it would have extinguished once the
oil in the lamp was depleted. And
its kindling from this point henceforth is considered as if he had kindled
it. The same applies to
extinguishing, as well: one hastens the extinguishing process by removing [oil]
from the lamp, and he is thus considered as having himself extinguished.
The Rosh
implies that one who removes oil from a lamp violates mekhabeh even if
the lamp had enough oil to continue burning until after Shabbat. The Chelkat Yoav proves from this
position that one violates Shabbat by performing the first stage of a given
melakha, even if the process will be completed only after Shabbat. Here, too, I believe that the proof is
hardly compelling. These comments
of the Rosh have no connection at all to the issue of when the extinguishing
occurs. The Rosh here simply posits
a new definition of mekhabeh, namely, that even diminishing from the
substance sustaining the flame constitutes mekhabeh. Moreover, even if the Rosh indeed meant
that one is liable for hastening the moment of extinction, which will occur on
Motza'ei Shabbat, nevertheless, he speaks of a unique feature of
mekhabeh: had the removed oil been the only oil in the lamp, the flame
would have extinguished immediately, and one therefore violates mekhabeh
by removing this oil, even if the flame will extinguish only some time in the
future. This would not necessarily
apply to cooking, which by definition is a melakha that entails an
extended process, and thus its violation quite possibly depends on the process's
completion before the end of Shabbat.
Sure enough, many Acharonim disputed this position of the Rashash
and Chelkat Yoav, and distinguished between cooking and sowing in this
respect. In their view, one
violates mevashel only if the cooking/baking process was completed before
the end of Shabbat. We find several
different approaches taken in defining the distinction between zorei'a
and bishul:
- The
Arukh Ha-shulchan (252) writes:
In
truth, there is no comparison, because regarding sowing, the act of sowing was
performed in the manner in which people generally sow, whereas this is not the
case regarding baking; it is considered "cooking" only if it is baked or cooked
such that it will be suitable for consumption, and therefore, one has not done
anything on Shabbat.
His
intention is not entirely clear, but we might explain as follows. In the case of zorei'a, the
action performed by the human being ends with the act of planting, and we thus
follow that moment when the process was begun. When it comes to cooking, by contrast,
the person generally remains involved throughout the process (such as by
supervising the cooking, adjusting the fire, and stirring when necessary), until
the point where he removes the pot from the fire. We must therefore view the entire
process as part of the melakha, and thus it cannot be violated if any
part of the process occurred after Shabbat.
- In
the case of zorei'a, the
process cannot possibly conclude on Shabbat, since the seed takes root only
several days later; by definition, then, the melakha is transgressed
through the act of sowing itself.
The Iglei Tal (Zorei'a, 8) adds that for this reason one
would violate zorei'a even if the seed never takes root, so long as one
planted it in a place suitable for this process. Regarding bishul, by contrast,
since the result generally occurs just a short while after the initial stage,
the entire process is included in the definition of this melakha, and
therefore the results must take place on Shabbat for a violation to be
committed.
- The
Minchat Chinukh (298) writes:
This
stands to reason with regard to cooking or baking the completion of the baking
or the cooking is referred to as "baking"
But before it is baked, this is not
referred to as "baking" at all, even if he placed it in the oven. The term "planting," however, becomes
relevant immediately once one scatters the seed on the ground; it is then
zorei'a.
This
distinction suggested by the Minchat Chinukh is essentially a linguistic
one. The term "planting" refers to
the act, whereas the word "baking" denotes the result. However, this linguistic distinction
reflects the more fundamental distinction between zorei'a where the
emphasis is on the act (as in the famous verse, "Those who plant with
tears will harvest with joy") and bishul, where specifically the
result receives emphasis.
Indeed,
Halakha appears to follow this second view, that one does not violate the
melakha of bishul if the cooking process is not completed before
the end of Shabbat, whereas one violates zorei'a even if he decides later
to remove the seeds before they take root, since there the violation stems from
the act of planting itself.
The
Minimum Duration of Cooking
The Mishna in Masekhet Shabbat (19b) forbids placing meat, onions or eggs
on the fire before Shabbat unless they will be roasted before the onset of
Shabbat. The Gemara (20a) comments
on this Mishna:
Rabbi
Elazar said in the name of Rav: [The Mishna means] "unless they will be roasted"
to the point of ma'akhal Ben Derusai [either half or one-third cooked;
see below]. It was likewise said:
"Rav Asi said in the name of Rabbi Yochanan: any [food] that is [already] at the
point of ma'akhal Ben Derusai it is not subject to [the prohibition
against partaking of] food cooked by gentiles." A Berayta states: "Chananya says:
any [food] that is [already] at the point of ma'akhal Ben Derusai one
may leave it on the stove [before Shabbat], even if it is not cleared of its
ashes or covered."
Thus, the
stage in the cooking process known as ma'akhal Ben Derusai constitutes
the determining point in two areas of Halakha:
1)
food cooked by a Jew to the point of ma'akhal Ben
Derusai may be eaten even if a gentile cooked it further, and it does not
attain the status of bishul akum;
2)
food already cooked to this point may be left on an
open flame before Shabbat to finish cooking on Shabbat.
The
Rishonim also deduced from here the minimum duration of cooking that
constitutes bishul.
Furthermore, the Gemara comments in Masekhet Menachot (57a):
Rabbi
Yochanan said: If one placed meat on coals if he turns it over, he is liable;
if he does not turn it over, he is not liable
This applies when had he not
turned it over, one side would have been cooked to the point of ma'akhal Ben
Derusai, but now that he turns it over, both sides are cooked to the point
of ma'akhal Ben Derusai. And
it comes to teach us that whenever only one side reaches the point of
ma'akhal Ben Derusai, this is not considered anything.
Thus, one
violates the melakha when the item reaches the point of ma'akhal Ben
Derusai on both sides; if only one side is cooked, it must be cooked
completely to qualify as bishul.[1]
As for the definition of ma'akhal Ben Derusai, Rashi writes that
it refers to one-third of the cooking process, at which point one can eat the
food under extenuating circumstances, as the outlaw Ben Derusai ate his
food. The Rambam, however (Hilkhot
Shabbat 9:5), defines it as referring to the halfway point in the cooking
process, and many consider this a clear dispute between Rashi and the
Rambam. The Mishna Berura
(253:38) brings both views and concludes that under pressing circumstances one
may rely on the more lenient position.
However, one might argue that when the Rambam uses the term chatzi
bishul ("half-cooked"), he does not refer to the precise halfway point, but
rather more generally to partial cooking to the point where the food can be
eaten under dire circumstances, without embarking on a precise
definition.[2] Of course, this
would require further analysis.
The Acharonim debate the point of how precisely we calculate the
halfway or one-third point in the cooking process. The Chazon Ish (37:6) held that
we measure the time needed for the food to fully cook after the water
boils. For example, if a piece of
meat would require an hour to fully cook once the water boils, then the point of
ma'akhal Ben Derusai would occur twenty minutes after the water boils
according to Rashi, or a half-hour according to the Rambam. Rav Moshe Feinstein zt"l,
however, reportedly held that we calculate ma'akhal Ben Derusai based on
the softness of the food. In my
opinion, however, it is difficult to understand how one would determine the
halfway or one-third point of a food's softening. It is far more likely that, as mentioned
earlier, the issue depends mainly on the point where the food could be eaten
under pressing circumstances, without requiring us to precisely define different
stages of softness.
With regard to cooking liquids, it emerges from the Gemara in Masekhet
Shabbat (40b) and elsewhere that one violates bishul by heating the
liquid to the point of yad soledet bo (literally, this means the point at
which one's hand would instinctively recoil on contact). The Gemara there explains more
precisely, "What is yad soledet bo?
Rechava said: whenever an infant's belly would be burned." Rashi and the Ritva there explain that
the Gemara did not determine this point based on the human hand, in accordance
with the straightforward implication of the term, because different people's
hands have different levels of sensitivity. They therefore determined this point
based on an infant's belly, which has a generally standard sensitivity
level. The Ben Ish Chai
(second year, Parashat Bo, 5) establishes the following principle in clarifying
this point:
So long
as the hot liquid is suitable for drinking or eating, that a person would not
refrain from it due to its intense heat, this does not qualify as yad soledet
bo. But if one will refrain
from drinking it or eating it because of its intense heat, this is considered
yad soledet bo.
Even this
definition, however, requires further clarification. The Poskim struggled to reconcile
the discrepancy between the point at which an infant's belly would be burned,
which is a relatively low temperature, and the heat level required for cooking,
which is considerably higher (and it emerges clearly from the Gemara that water
at the temperature of yad soledet bo has the capacity to cook). Rav Feinstein, in Iggerot Moshe
(4:74), establishes the following temperatures as the point of yad soledet
bo to cover all stringent possibilities: no lower than 43 degrees
Centigrade, and no higher than 71 degrees Centigrade. (For more on this subject, consult
Shemirat Shabbat Ke-hilkhata, chapter 1, note 15.)
Bishul
Achar Bishul Cooking a Previously-Cooked Item
The Mishna (145b; cited as well on 39a) establishes that "any food that
had been cooked in hot water before Shabbat may be soaked in hot water on
Shabbat." The Gemara brings as an
example the case of "Rabbi Abba's chicken." Rashi explains that Rabbi Abba would eat
chicken for medical purposes, and would prepare it by cooking it and then
letting it soak for several days in hot water so that it would dissolve.
The Rishonim argue in explaining the halakha established in
the Mishna. The Ramban, the Rashba
and most other Sephardic Rishonim interpret the Mishna as referring to a
food that had been cooked before Shabbat to the point of ma'akhal Ben
Derusai. The Mishna allows
cooking such a food on Shabbat because once a food reaches the point of
ma'akhal Ben Derusai, additional cooking does not violate
bishul. This halakha
would thus correspond to the halakha established in Masekhet Avoda Zara
that the prohibition of bishul akum does not apply to food cooked by a
gentile only after it had already reached the point of ma'akhal Ben
Derusai. The Rashba (39a,
s.v. gemara) writes, "Meaning, that it was cooked in hot water before
Shabbat to the point of ma'akhal Ben Derusai; it is then no longer
subject to bishul, and therefore one may soak it [on Shabbat] even in hot
water in a keli rishon [the original utensil that had been on the
fire]." Bear in mind that even
according to this view Chazal forbade cooking previously-cooked food
directly over a flame.[3]
By contrast, the Rambam (Hilkhot Shabbat 9:3) rules that one who cooks
over a flame an item that had been fully cooked does not violate bishul,
implying that if the item had not been cooked completely, cooking it further
indeed constitutes bishul.
Most commentaries to the Mishneh Torah indeed make this inference;
see Maggid Mishneh and Kesef Mishneh.[4] The Rambam writes that in this case one
is patur (exempt from punishment), implying that this is still forbidden
by force of rabbinic enactment, because he speaks of cooking directly over the
fire, which Chazal forbade even if the item had been previously
cooked. However, the Rambam would
permit cooking such an item in a keli rishon that is not over a fire.
A number of difficulties arise in trying to determine the position of
other Rishonim regarding this sugya:
1. The
Chiddushim Ha-meyuchasim La-Ran[5] (Shabbat 145b) writes:
Some
explain that even if it had not been fully cooked before dark, and [was cooked]
only to the point of ma'akhal Ben Derusai or more, this suffices. But this is difficult, because a food
which is improved by continuing to cook may not be placed on a stove [before
Shabbat]
The correct [reading is that the Mishna refers to a food] that had
been fully cooked before dark and one soaks it in hot water to dissolve.
Earlier
(40b, s.v. shemen), however, the Ran himself wrote:
Any
[food] that had been cooked before dark even to the point of ma'akhal Ben
Derusai it is permissible [to cook it further] on Shabbat even at the
point of yad soledet bo. And
any [food] that had been cooked before dark would have been permitted to be
cooked le-khatechila [even on the optimum level of observance] on a
stove, if not for the concern of mar'it ha-ayin [the mistaken perception
that one cooks on Shabbat].
The Ran
appears to contradict himself in these two passages. It would seem that in his view the Torah
prohibition of bishul does not apply if the food had been cooked to the
point of ma'akhal Ben Derusai, but Chazal forbade placing such a
food over fire out of concern for mari't ha- ayin. According to the Ran, this prohibition
applies even to soaking food in hot water, and he was therefore compelled to
explain the sugya on 145b, which permits soaking previously cooked food
in hot water, as referring specifically to food that had been fully
cooked.[6]
2. The
Meiri, commenting on the Mishna on 145b, writes:
Some
explain that "Any [food] that had been cooked in hot water" means that it was
cooked to the point of ma'akhal Ben Derusai. But this seems incorrect, because it is
still [a case where] continued cooking enhances it
In all these [cases]
regarding which we mentioned that soaking them or rinsing them is forbidden, one
who soaked or rinsed [inadvertently] is liable for a chatat [sin
offering].
It emerges
from the Meiri's comments that cooking a previously cooked food violates the
Torah prohibition of bishul unless it had been completely cooked. This ruling appears to contradict the
Meiri's own remarks towards the beginning of the third chapter of Masekhet
Shabbat, in his commentary to the Mishna that allows returning a pot to the fire
on Shabbat:
You
should not explain it as referring to a food that has not even been cooked to
the point of ma'akhal Ben Derusai
for regarding this, how could Beit
Hillel allow even returning [it to the fire]? Undoubtedly, then, [it refers] to food
that had been cooked to the point of ma'akhal Ben Derusai.
This
passage, of course, suggests that one may cook food if it had previously been
cooked to the point of ma'akhal Ben Derusai, whereas in the first passage
he writes that doing so violates the Torah prohibition of bishul.[7]
It seems that the Meiri was well aware of this seeming inconsistency and
sought to explain his position, but his explanation is ambiguous:
And
since it has been cooked, its continued cooking does not concern us, since he
has covered [the fire], because a covered [fire] does not constitute
bishul for that which had already been cooked, as it merely retains [its
heat]. And even though it visibly
continues to cook, this is true even with heat that merely retains, and this is
due to the length of time, and not as actual cooking.
The Meiri
was clearly aware of the problem, but it is difficult to fully understand his
answer. His main point seems to be
that a covered stove cannot advance the cooking process, and can only retain the
food's heat; and even though we see the food continuing to dry, this results
from the retention of its heat, and not from additional cooking.[8]
Let us now examine the rationale underlying the two positions, as to
whether bishul applies to food that has been cooked to ma'akhal Ben
Derusai but not to completion.
We might suggest the following explanation for the view that allows
cooking a food that had already reached the point of ma'akhal Ben
Derusai. The melakha of
bishul entails preparing a food item for consumption, and so the moment a
food reaches the point of ma'akhal Ben Derusai, it is suitable for
consumption and hence no longer subject to bishul. Said otherwise, a food that has reached
the point of ma'akhal Ben Derusai takes on the formal status of
mevushal (a cooked food), to which we would apply the rule established in
the Tosefta (Shabbat, end of chapter 15), "One may bake a baked food and
cook a cooked food."[9]
As for the stringent position, that one violates bishul by cooking
foods that have already reached ma'akhal Ben Derusai, we might suggest
two explanations:
1)
Even once a food has reached ma'akhal Ben
Derusai, it is still unsuitable for normal consumption until it is fully
cooked. According to this approach,
Halakha acknowledges two levels of preparation for consumption: preparing a food
for the possibility of eating under extenuating circumstances ma'akhal Ben
Derusai; and preparing a food for normal consumption or cooking a food
completely.
2)
The melakha of bishul involves the
process of enhancing a food, and thus one violates this melakha through
any substantive improvement in the food's taste resulting from the cooking
process.
These
two approaches to understanding the stringent position will yield practical
ramifications. Firstly, they will
impact the question of whether one violates bishul if he cooks a food
that had already reached ma'akhal Ben Derusai, but he does not cook it
fully. According to the first
approach, one violates bishul only if he brings the food to the point
where it becomes suitable for normal consumption, whereas the second approach
would hold one liable for any significant improvement that occurs through
cooking, even if the food is not fully cooked.
Indeed, this issue is subject to a debate among the
Acharonim. The Shulchan
Arukh (318:6) rules, "A utensil containing a hot item at the point of yad
soledet bo one may place it on Shabbat on a covered pot so that it will
retain its heat and not cool." The
Taz permits doing so even for a food that has not been fully cooked,
since in this position it will never be cooked to completion. The Mishna Berura (50), however,
forbids doing so, because the heat might nevertheless advance the cooking
process. Clearly, these authorities
debate the question of whether any additional cooking violates the prohibition,
or only cooking an item fully.
In light of this discussion, we can return to the comments of Meiri cited
earlier, permitting one to place on a covered flame a food that had been cooked
to ma'akhal Ben Derusai. He
perhaps held that since over a covered fire the food will never reach the point
of "fully cooked," it may be placed there, even though it will undergo further
stages in the cooking process.[10]
Secondly, this issue will affect the question of whether Halakha forbids
cooking an item that has already been fully cooked. According to the first approach,
bishul would not apply once an item has reached the point of suitability
for normal consumption. According
to the second understanding, however, there is room to discuss whether the
effect of additional cooking constitutes a significant improvement in the food's
taste to violate bishul.
We indeed find one view in the Rishonim that appears to apply
bishul even to a fully cooked food.
The Tosefot Yeshanim (Shabbat 37b) write: "If so, why is it
forbidden to return [to the fire] a fully cooked food? Bishul does not apply to such a
food!
We must explain that
bishul certainly does not apply to oil, but bishul does apply
to a food even if it was cooked before dark."[11]
The Or Zaru'a (62) likewise addresses the question of whether
bishul can apply once a food is fully cooked, and appears undecided on
the issue: "Only if it had been fully cooked on Erev Shabbat is it permissible
to soak it
in a keli sheni [a utensil into which water was poured from
its original utensil], for perhaps bishul applies even after a previous
cooking."[12]
In light of what we have seen, we can understand the discussion in the
Tosefot Ha-Rosh concerning the Mishna (145b) that permits soaking a
previously cooked food in hot water.
According to the Tosefot Ha-Rosh, the Mishna seeks to dispel the
possible notion that "since it is prepared through this soaking, it constitutes
its gemar melakha [final stage of preparation] and is forbidden." The Rosh apparently understood that one
might have forbade the prolonged soaking of previously cooked food because of
the significant enhancement that results from this process, which would render
it forbidden even if the food had already been fully cooked. In conclusion, however, he maintains
that bishul would not apply in this case either because bishul
is never applicable once a food has reached the point of suitability for normal
consumption, or because any further enhancement beyond that point is not
sufficiently meaningful to warrant a violation of bishul.
The Shulchan Arukh (318:4) rules that the Torah prohibition of
bishul applies so long as the food had not yet been fully cooked, but
once it reaches that point it is no longer subject to bishul. The Bei'ur Halakha notes that
many Rishonim disagree, and therefore rules that if one cooked on Shabbat
a food that had been previously cooked to the point of ma'akhal Ben
Derusai, it may be eaten on Shabbat, as be-di'avad we may rely on the
lenient position.
Notes:
- 1.
See Tosefot (s.v. ve-im nitzla bo), who seem to indicate that the Torah
prohibition is not violated until the one side is completely cooked.
- 2.
According to this interpretation, chatzi would mean not "half," but
rather "partial," as in the phrase "chatzi shiur asur min ha-Torah,"
where chatzi clearly refers not to "half," but rather to anything less
than the full amount.
- 3.
We will explain this halakha in much greater detail in subsequent
shiurim, when we address the topic of reheating food on Shabbat.
- 4.
The Iglei Tal, however, understood that even the Rambam does not hold
one liable if the item had been cooked only to the point of ma'akhal Ben
Derusai, and refers to a rabbinic prohibition against cooking it further
unless it had been fully cooked.
- 5.
The standard edition published under the name Chiddushei Ha-Ran was not
written by the Ran, but rather by a student of the Ra'a. The Ran's chiddushim to
Masekhet Shabbat were published as the Chiddushei Ha-Ritva, and the
chiddushim of both the Ran and the Ritva were recently published by
Mosad Ha-Rav Kook. Once again,
the standard editions of the Chiddushei Ha-Ran to Masekhet Shabbat were
written by a student of the Ra'a, and not by the Ran.
- 6.
We might suggest a similar distinction to explain the view of Tosefot. On 39a, they write that one may soak
in hot water on Shabbat only food that had been fully cooked, whereas in the
beginning of this chapter, they permit reheating even food cooked only to the
point of ma'akhal Ben Derusai.
We can reconcile these two rulings by explaining that an issur
de-rabbanan forbids returning a food that had been cooked only to
ma'akhal Ben Derusai to the fire under certain conditions. The Iglei Tal advances this
theory in explaining the Tur's position, whereas the Beit Yosef
understood that the Tur forbids reheating on the level of Torah law unless the
food had been fully cooked.
- 7.
The Bei'ur Halakha (318) inferred from the Meiri's comments that
bishul does not apply to food that has already reached the point of
ma'akhal Ben Derusai; he apparently did not see the Meiri's explicit
comments to the contrary on 145b.
- 8.
Later, we will explain the Meiri's answer based on a principle that we will
develop further in the shiur.
- 9.
Note, however, the variant texts of this Tosefta cited in Rabbi Saul
Lieberman's Tosefta Ke-pshuta (Shabbat, end of chapter 14, p. 241).
- 10.
One may, of course, explain the Meiri's view differently, and claim that in
this instance the food does not undergo any advancement in its cooking process
(as the straightforward reading of his comments suggests), or that whatever
advancement is achieved in this case is not significant enough to constitute a
violation.
- 11.
One might, however, explain the Tosefot Yeshanim as referring to liquid
that had cooled off after having been cooked, as we will discuss in the next
shiur.
- 12.
The Or Zaru'a's ambivalence likely stems from the sugya of
hatmana on 34a, from which it emerges that bishul applies even
to cooking a fully cooked item.
The Or Zaru'a therefore felt that the Mishna permitting soaking
a previously cooked food in hot water might refer specifically to soaking in a
keli sheni, which does not involve actual bishul. In the next shiur we will
suggest other solutions to this problem.
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