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The Israel Koschitzky Virtual Beit
Midrash
The Laws of Shabbat Yeshivat Har Etzion
Shiur #09: Cooking in a Keli Sheni
By HaRav Baruch Gigi
Translated by David Silverberg
The Principle of Keli Sheni
Eino Mevashel
The Mishna in Masekhet Shabbat (42a) allows adding spices into a keli
sheni – the utensil into which the food is poured from the original utensil
in which it was cooked. From here
it is learned that keli sheni eino mevashel – a keli sheni is
incapable of effectuating the halakhic process of bishul. This principle emerges also from an
earlier sugya (40b), where Rebbi instructed his student, "Place it [a jug
of oil] in a keli sheni [filled with water, to warm it] and give [it to
me]." The Gemara infers from this
incident that bishul cannot occur in a keli sheni. The Rishonim struggled to
identify the precise point of distinction between a keli rishon and
keli sheni, and developed different approaches in dealing with this
question.
We will begin with the Yerei'im, who writes:
Bishul depends
neither on a keli rishon nor on a keli sheni, but rather on the
item being cooked. At times it is a
soft item and can be cooked even in a keli sheni, whereas there are hard
items that cannot be cooked even in a keli rishon, and some items are
cooked in a keli rishon but not in a keli sheni… A person must
therefore ensure not to place any item in a keli sheni or even in a
keli shelishi [the utensil into which the food was poured from a keli
sheni] at the point of yad soledet bo [where one's hand would
instinctively recoil on contact], for we are unsure regarding soft and hard
items, which are cooked in a keli sheni and which are not cooked [in a
keli sheni].
In the
Yerei'im's view, the fundamental distinction is not between the different
types of utensils, but rather between different types of foods – hard food items
and soft food items. Thus, soft
foods may not be cooked even in a keli shelishi at a temperature of
yad soledet bo.
The Rashba, by contrast, maintains that Chazal drew a clear
distinction between a keli rishon and keli sheni. He writes (chiddushim, Shabbat
40b s.v. meivi adam), "They mentioned keli rishon and keli
sheni only because the first is capable of cooking, and the other is not
capable of cooking."[1] In light of
this approach, the Rashba must deal with the empirical fact that cold water
added to hot water in a keli sheni indeed reaches the level of yad
soledet bo, seemingly proving that even a keli sheni is capable of
cooking. Commenting on a later
sugya (42a s.v. be-davar), the Rashba offers the following
explanation:
Since
it is a keli sheni, it will always be permissible, since it reaches only
lukewarm [levels]. And even if the
water was [at the point of] yad soledet ba-hen after cold water was mixed
into it, this results not from the cold water in it becoming yad soledet,
but rather from the original water, which did not cool [through its contact with
the cold water].
Though it is
difficult to fully understand this passage, the Rashba's intention is clear: the
reality of yad soledet emerges not from the cold water that becomes hot,
but rather from the hot water, which does not become cold.[2]
Tosefot (40b s.v. u-shema mina) develop a different approach:
It is
difficult: How does a keli sheni differ from a keli rishon? If [it is at a temperature of] yad
soledet, then even a keli sheni [is capable of cooking], and if it is
not [at the point of] yad soledet, then even a keli rishon is not
capable of cooking! We might say
that because a keli rishon sat over a fire, its walls are hot and it
retains its heat for an extended period.
They [Chazal] therefore established the criterion that so
long as [it is at the point of] yad soledet bo, it is forbidden [to cook
in the keli rishon]. But a
keli sheni – even when it is yad soledet bo it is permissible [to
cook in it], because its walls are not hot and it gradually cools.
In posing
their question, Tosefot advance the claim that the possibility of bishul
occurring in any utensil should depend solely on the factor of yad soledet
bo, and not on whether we deal with a keli rishon or keli
sheni, on the assumption that level of heat is the determining factor. This assumption, which Tosefot
ultimately dismiss, bears resemblance to the Yerei'im's position, which
sees no fundamental difference between the various utensils. And this assumption is identical to a
view recorded in the Yerushalmi (3:4): "Everyone agrees that it is permissible
in a keli sheni. Wherein
lies the difference between a keli rishon and keli sheni? Rabbi Yossi said: Here, one's hand would
recoil; here, one's hand would not recoil." According to this view, the distinction
pertains only to the level of heat.
In their answer, Tosefot assert that the criterion that defines
bishul involves not merely the current level of heat, but also the period
of time for which this level is retained, and the walls of a keli sheni
cool at a faster rate than those of a keli rishon. In short, bishul is a function of
a prolonged period of heat.
But Tosefot's answer does not resolve the problem completely. It is possible for a keli sheni
to be at a relatively high temperature and lose its heat slowly either because
of its narrow opening which allows limited exposure to air, or due to its thick
insulation. We might therefore
explain that Tosefot refers not simply to an empirical factor, but rather to a
halakhic factor. In their view,
bishul requires a heat source, and a keli sheni, which generally
loses its heat quickly, is not generally perceived as a cooking utensil. Therefore, Halakha likewise does not
consider it "fire" for purposes of bishul, except in those rare instances
where people generally use a keli sheni for this purpose, such as in the
case of kulias ha-ispenin (a type of salty fish), which we have discussed
on several occasions in earlier shiurim.
We might draw proof to this theory from the Rambam's view, in light of
the difficulties that arise from his comments regarding this issue. The Rambam writes in Hilkhot Shabbat
(22:6):
Similarly, a boiling pot,
even though one removed it from the fire, one may not add spices to it, but he
may add to it salt, because salt is cooked only over a large fire. If one poured the food from a pot to a
bowl, then even though it is boiling in the bowl, it is permissible to
add spices to the bowl, for a keli sheni is incapable of cooking.
In the
context of the laws of ma'aser, there is a rule, "Bishul kovei'a
le-ma'aser." This means that
whereas generally one may partake of food that has yet be tithed for an
akhilat arai (a quick snack), the process of cooking automatically
defines any subsequent eating of that food as an akhilat keva (an
established meal), which is forbidden before tithing. Accordingly, the Rambam writes (Hilkhot
Ma'aser 3:15):
Once
oil drops down into the trough [of the olive press] – even though it already
dropped down, one may take [oil] from the bale, press-beam or boards and place
it into food in a small bowl or serving dish, even though it is hot, because it
is not cooked in a keli sheni.
But if it was exceedingly hot, such that it would burn a hand, one may
not place it [the oil] into it [the bowl or serving dish] because it would
cook.
The Rambam
rules that the point when the oil drops into the trough of the press marks the
gemar melakha – the final stage of the oil's preparation. Nevertheless, he permits placing oil
into a keli sheni without tithing it, since the oil is not cooked as a
result, and this therefore would not constitute akhilat keva. If, however, the food/liquid in the
keli sheni is at a high temperature, such that one's hand would burn on
contact, we deem the keli sheni capable of cooking the oil, and one may
therefore not eat the oil in this fashion without first taking
ma'aser.
This ruling appears to contradict the Rambam's comments in Hilkhot
Shabbat. With regard to the
prohibition of bishul on Shabbat, the Rambam rules that a keli
sheni does not effect bishul even if its contents are still boiling,
whereas with respect to ma'aser he writes that if the contents can burn a
hand – which presumably occurs at a lower temperature than the boiling point –
the keli sheni is capable of cooking.
It would appear that in the Rambam's view, a keli sheni generally
does not have the capacity to cook, unless it is exceptionally hot, at the point
where one's hand would be burned on contact. In Hilkhot Ma'aser, we deal with the
empirical question of whether cooking actually occurs, and one may therefore eat
oil as an akhilat arai without tithing in a regular keli sheni,
but not in an exceptionally hot keli sheni, at the point of yad
nikhveit (where one's hand would burn). With respect to Shabbat, however, a
keli sheni does not accomplish bishul even at the boiling point,
because a keli sheni cannot be classified as "fire" for purposes of the
melakha of bishul, except in the case of kulias ha-ispenin,
which is normally prepared in this fashion, and a keli sheni would thus
qualify as "fire" in that particular instance.[3]
Summary of
the Rishonim's Positions
We have thus encountered several different approaches in explaining the
reason why a keli rishon is deemed incapable of accomplishing
bishul:
- Because
of its low level of heat (Yerushalmi – "ein yad soledet bo").
- It
does not retain its heat for a prolonged period of time (Tosefot – "it
gradually cools").
- It
is not defined as "fire" (our explanation of Tosefot and the Rambam).
- It
depends on the type of food (Yerei'im).
- Practically
speaking, it is never capable of cooking (Rashba – this was Chazal's
empirical assessment).
Details
Concerning Bishul in a Keli Sheni
1. Kalei
Bishul – Easily Cooked Foods
The Yerei'im, as cited above, wrote that one may not cook any food
in a keli sheni unless the Gemara specifically speaks of that food as
incapable of being cooked in a keli sheni. We cannot ascertain the status of any
other food vis-à-vis bishul in a keli sheni, and one must
therefore refrain from cooking in it in a keli sheni. The Ran wrote that even in a keli
rishon we are uncertain which foods are subject to bishul and which
are not, and we therefore refrain from placing any foods in a keli
rishon. It stands to reason
that the Ran applied this stringency only to a keli rishon; in a keli
sheni, however, the Ran would allow us to assume that it does not effectuate
bishul, except in the case of kulias ha-ispenin, and, according to
one view in the Gemara (42b), salt.
The Tur (318) cites the Yerei'im's stringent position that a
previously baked food is subject to bishul, and that one may not place
bread even in a keli sheni at the level of yad soledet bo. He then disputes the second
halakha, which assumes that bishul can occur in a keli
sheni. He writes:
Rabbi
Eliezer of Metz wrote, "Even though bishul cannot occur after [a
previous] bishul when dealing with a dry food item, an item that had been
baked or roasted is subject to bishul if one cooks it afterwards in
liquid. It is [therefore] forbidden
to place bread even into a keli sheni [at the point of] yad soledet
bo." But this is very difficult
– why would they forbid [this] in a keli sheni? He perhaps compared it [bread] to salt,
which the Gemara says – according to one view – can cook even in a keli
sheni. But it does not seem
correct that it should be forbidden in a keli sheni."
2. Which
Foods are Considered Kalei Ha-bishul?
We mentioned earlier that the fish called kulias ha-ispenin, as
well as – according to one view in the Gemara – salt, can be cooked in a keli
sheni. The Chazon Ish
(Shabbat 52:19) wrote that eggs likewise belong to this category of kalei
ha-bishul (items that are easily cooked), and one may therefore not boil an
egg in a keli sheni. He
arrives at this theory based on an earlier sugya (38b), which considers
roasting an egg alongside a hot kettle a Torah violation of bishul. According to the Chazon Ish, the
Gemara here seeks to establish that cooking kalei ha-bishul constitutes a
Torah violation, and thus eggs are invoked as an example of kalei
ha-bishul. The work Pitchei
Da'at cites Rav Yaakov Yisrael Fisher as allowing, strictly speaking,
placing an egg in a keli sheni, though even he advises against doing
so.
According to the Yerei'im, we must suspect every item of being
among the kalei ha-bishul, with the exception of beef, spices, water and
oil.
What about other liquids, besides water and oil? From the Shulchan Arukh (318:13)
it appears that other liquids are not deemed kalei ha-bishul, and the
Mishna Berura makes no comment on the Shulchan Arukh's
ruling. Elsewhere in this
siman, however, the Shulchan Arukh appears to indicate that we
must, indeed, treat other liquids as possibly in the category of kalei
ha-bishul. In any event, when
dealing with liquids that were cooked and then cooled, we may allow placing them
in a keli sheni, taking into account the view among the Rishonim
that the rule of ein bishul achar bishul (foods are not subject to
bishul if they had been previously cooked) applies even to liquids. Practically speaking, then, one may add
cold pasteurized milk to a cup of coffee (since the milk has already been
cooked, and the coffee cup is a keli sheni).
The Chazon Ish held that strictly speaking, we need not consider
every food item potentially of the kalei ha-bishul type. At most, he maintained, we should apply
this stringency only to bread, which the Yerei'im and Semag
specifically mentioned. He
concluded, however, that common practice is to forbid cooking all foods in a
keli sheni, though he allowed placing lemon juice in a keli
sheni.
3. A Keli
Sheni at the Point of Yad Nikhveit
The Binat Adam writes in the work Sha'arei Tzedek, "It is
very difficult that all the geonim…did not bring the Rambam's comments in
Hilkhot Ma'aserot 3:15, where he wrote explicitly that if one's hand would be
burned in a keli sheni – it is capable of cooking." We have already seen that the Rambam
distinguishes in this regard between the laws of Shabbat and the laws of
ma'aser; with respect to bishul on Shabbat, cooking is permitted
in a keli sheni even if its contents are boiling, as the Rambam writes
explicitly in Hilkhot Shabbat (22:6).
The Binat Adam drew support for his position from the
aforementioned sugya in the Yerushalmi, Masekhet Ma'aserot, and from a
sugya in the Bavli (Shabbat 42a) concerning a bathtub. The Tur wrote that although a tub is
treated as a keli sheni, one should nevertheless consider its water
capable of cooking because of its particularly high temperature. According to the Binat Adam, this
applies equally to every keli sheni at the level of yad
nikhveit. By contrast, the
Shevitat Ha-Shabbat (introduction to Mevashel section, 10) permits
cooking in a keli sheni, regardless of its heat.
The Acharonim generally ruled stringently in cases of yad
nikhveit (see Mishna Berura 318:48). The Chazon Ish, however, claimed
that the Bavli disagrees with the Yerushalmi on this point, but conceded that as
a practical matter one should not be lenient in this regard given the severity
of Shabbat. In practice, then, one
should be stringent in cases of a keli sheni at the point of yad
nikhveit, but be-di'avad (after the fact) one may lenient.
4. Davar
Gush – Solid Foods in a Keli Sheni
In the Yoreh Dei'a section of the Shulchan Arukh, the
Acharonim debate the issue of whether a davar gush (solid food
item) in a keli sheni absorbs and emits taste of forbidden foods. The Rama (Y.D. 94:7) rules leniently,
that taste is neither absorbed nor emitted in a keli sheni. The Shakh (94:30), however,
disagreed, and wrote, "Even in a keli sheni it is treated like a keli
rishon so long as yad soledet bo, and it requires hag'ala
[immersion in hot water], since it is a solid item." This is also the view of the Maharshal,
that a dry food – such as a piece of meat – transfers taste so long as its
temperature is at a level of yad soledet bo, regardless of whether we
deal with a keli rishon or keli sheni.
The Peri Megadim discusses whether this stringency applies as well
to the issue of bishul on Shabbat.
The Magen Avraham (318:45) rules that it indeed applies with
regard to bishul, and a davar gush is capable of effecting
bishul even in a keli sheni.
The Mishna Berura writes that be-di'avad, one may rely on
those authorities who rule leniently on this issue:
Several
poskim maintain that a solid food is capable of cooking so long as yad
soledet bo, even in a keli sheni. Nevertheless, be-di'avad, one
need not forbid [the food] if it is placed in a keli sheni, as we may
rely on the poskim [who hold] that a keli sheni is not capable of
cooking under any circumstances.
Rav Moshe
Feinstein (Iggerot Moshe 4:74) addresses the question of placing ketchup
on a hot piece of meat in a keli sheni:
As for
the final halakha, it would seem that one is permitted to place ketchup
on boiling meat that had been placed in a keli sheni… But here, the
stringency that a liquid is subject to bishul after having been
previously cooked is but an additional stringency, for the most prominent
poskim hold that even regarding liquids ein bishul achar bishul,
and this is indeed the Rama's final decision – that this is the practice, and he
rules stringently only if it has completely cooled. And also the stringency regarding a
davar gush, considering it like it is boiling even in a keli
sheni, is disputed by many, including the Rama… Therefore, even this
law, despite the fact that the Shakh in 105:8 follows the Maharshal, as
does the Magen Avraham (45), we should not consider this a balanced
safek such that since we cannot definitively rule leniently we must be
stringent. You are therefore
correct that one need not follow these two stringencies, even with regard to
the prohibitions of Shabbat.
5.
Ladles
Earlier we cited Tosefot's approach (40b) in explaining the difference
between a keli rishon and keli sheni, claiming that the walls of a
keli rishon retain their heat, whereas the walls of a keli sheni
lose their heat and the utensil thus cools. The Taz (Y.D. 92:30) inferred
from Tosefot that a ladle, which one places into a keli rishon to draw
its contents and then pours into a bowl, has the status of a keli
rishon. He notes that others
disagree and treat ladles as a keli sheni. The Mishna Berura (318:87)
comments on this issue:
Something is considered a
keli sheni when a keli rishon, in which the hot food was boiled,
is poured into this utensil; it is permissible [to cook in it] even at the level
of yad soledet bo. But if
one draws with an empty utensil from a keli rishon, some views hold it
has the status of a keli rishon, particularly if he leaves the empty
utensil in it until it boils – then it is certainly considered a keli
rishon.
Earlier
(318:45), however, the Mishna Berura implies that he considers the ladle
a keli sheni: "But if one wishes to put bread [in soup], he should wait
until the soup is no longer yad soledet, or, he should at least draw [the
soup] from the pot with a spoon [= a ladle] so that the bowl will be a keli
shelishi." We might explain the
Mishna Berura's position as requiring one to optimally follow the
stringent position, considering the ladle a keli rishon. However, where one wishes to place a
previously baked item in hot liquid, in which case we are generally concerned
for the Yerei'im's view forbidding placing bread even in a keli
sheni, we may rely on the position that treats the ladle as a keli
sheni, such that the bowl would be considered a keli shelishi.
This halakha essentially results from a sefeik-sefeika (a
"double uncertainty"): perhaps Halakha follows the view that baked foods are not
subject to bishul, and even if bishul indeed applies to such
foods, perhaps we accept the opinion that a ladle constitutes a keli
sheni, in which case one would be allowed to place bread in his bowl, which
would be considered a keli shelishi.[4]
6.
"Mechzei Ke-mevashel" in a Keli Sheni
Tosefot (Shabbat 39a s.v. kol) comment:
The Ri
says that one may not soak [food] even in a keli sheni, because since the
water is hot, it gives the appearance of cooking ["mechzei
ke-mevashel"]. And although the
Mishna later (42b) states, "but one may add [spices] to the bowl or serving
dish," this applies only to spices, which are made [for the specific purpose] of
adding flavor to [the food in] the pot, and it does not give the appearance of
cooking. Or, one may indeed
soak it, since we deal with a keli sheni, and it [the Mishna] mentions
rinsing [rather than soaking] to teach us that even rinsing constitutes the
final stage of preparation in the cases of mali'ach ha-yashan and
kulias ha-ispenin.
Tosefot thus
advance two approaches with regard to keli sheni. The first approach maintains that
although bishul cannot occur in a keli sheni, one may not place
foods in a keli sheni because it gives the appearance of cooking; spices,
however, which serve merely to add flavor, may be placed in a keli
sheni. Tosefot draw their novel
theory from the Mishna's comment, "Any food that had not been cooked in hot
water before Shabbat may not be soaked in hot water [on Shabbat], but may be
rinsed in hot water [on Shabbat]."
"Rinsing" here refers to pouring hot water from a keli sheni,
indicating that raw food may not be soaked in a keli sheni. On this basis, Tosefot establish that
the principle of mechzei ke-mevashel applies to cooking in a keli
sheni. In their second
approach, however, Tosefot explain that the Mishna seeks to emphasize that even
pouring is forbidden in the cases of mali'ach ha-yashan and kulias
ha-ispenin; other foods, by contrast, may indeed be soaked even in a keli
sheni, since bishul cannot occur in a keli sheni.
The Meiri, in his comments to the Mishna, explains that the Mishna does
not refer to a food that had not been cooked at all before Shabbat and is thus
completely inedible. Rather, it
deals with salty meat that can be eaten with difficulty even without
rinsing. The Meiri explains that
the Mishna here allows pouring water from a keli rishon onto the meat,
but not soaking it. He
explains:
Any
food that had not been cooked in hot water before Shabbat, and is rather eaten
on Shabbat with difficulty without cooking, such as exceptionally salty meat,
may be rinsed in hot water on Shabbat, and we do not say that its rinsing
amounts to cooking it, for even rinsing does not suffice for eating it
comfortably, without any difficulty.
"But it may not be soaked" – meaning, for an hour or a half-hour, because
it soaking – given that it is done in a keli rishon – cooks it
somewhat. "Except for mali'ach
ha-yashan" – meaning, from the previous year – "and kulias
ha-ispenin" – which is a fish that is eaten by rinsing it in hot water. In all these cases, they [the food
items] are forbidden even with only rinsing, because even during the week their
rinsing is how they are cooked.
According to
his reading, the Mishna does not deal with a keli sheni at all, and there
is thus no basis for Tosefot's stringent position.
As for the final halakha, the Magen Avraham (318:15) rules
stringently on the matter, and this is the conclusion of the Mishna
Berura (318:34), despite the fact that neither the Shulchan Arukh nor
the Rama brings this halakha.
The Iglei Tal, by contrast, accepts the lenient view.
Notes:
- The
Rashba there objects to Rashi's text in the sugya, according to which
"hefeshero zehu bishulo" – warming oil constitutes bishul, and
yet one is permitted to place the jug of oil in a keli sheni because a
keli sheni is not subject to bishul; we will elaborate on his
view later. The Rashba found this
approach untenable, because the entire distinction between the various
utensils stems from Chazal's assessment that a keli sheni is
incapable of cooking. Hence, if
warming oil indeed constitutes bishul, it would be forbidden even in a
keli sheni, which is capable of warming oil. The Rashba therefore adopts the
alternate text of the Gemara, which reads, "hefshero lo zehu
bishulo."
- After
all, according to the Rashba, Chazal very clearly determined that a
keli sheni does not have the capacity to cook, and thus the empirical
reality cannot indicate otherwise.
- The
Radbaz, in his commentary to Hilkhot Ma'aser, answers that generally a keli
sheni is incapable of cooking, but with regard to ma'aser, a
keli sheni at the level of yad nikhveit can effect
bishul, since this completes the oil's preparation for consumption,
such that it becomes obligated in ma'aser. He drew support for this theory from
the Yerushalmi (Ma'aserot 1:7), which commented that where ein ha-yad
sholetet (which we will define shortly), a keli sheni is
halakhically no different from a keli rishon. The Radbaz appeared to have understood
the term ein ha-yad sholetet as referring to the heat level of yad
nikhveit, thus proving that at this level a keli rishon and keli
sheni are equivalent.
Generally, however, the term ein ha-yad sholetet refers to the
level of yad soledet, where one's hand would recoil on contact, and not
the heat of yad nikhveit.
The Mahari Kurkus indeed explained the Yerushalmi as referring to
yad soledet, but he understood the Rambam's ruling concerning the level
of yad nikhveit as speaking of yad soledet. These readings are difficult to
accept. In general, the
Yerushami's remarks concerning the distinction between keli rishon and
keli rishon appear to relate to the sugyot in Masekhet Shabbat,
and don't really belong in Masekhet Ma'aserot.
- The
Chazon Ish (O.C. 122:3) distinguished between a ladle placed in a
keli rishon over the fire, which should be treated stringently, and a
ladle used in a keli rishon off the fire, which may be treated as a
keli sheni. Elsewhere
(Y.D. 32) he wrote that one should treat ladles as a keli rishon under
all circumstances.
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